>> ♪ the cost of freedom now neal cavuto. >> you know the cost of the freedom, the whole concept started after 9/11 when we took our business shows and sort of lumped them together. combined them to sort of reflect collectively what was going on and in this country freedom has a cost and worth it that continues today in the light of the latest terrorist attack. the mother-in-law of the boston suspect is sicken pood

by the horror he inflicted. the family realizes they never really knew tamerlan tsarnaev as at and cannot comprehend. he was killed in the shoot out with the police. we are learning about the suspect suspect under police guard. the 19 year old reportedly attended a party two days after the bombs went off in the boston marathon. in light of the lock down, boston is starting to get back to normalcy. trains and courts and schools all shut down bringing the economy to a stand still. we are told that the boston red sox game is back on with the kansas city royalless. the boston brupins cancelled last night continues today. they love sports. they just root for the wrong

team but love sports. rudy guiliani is a yankees fan and knows about dealing with post crisis. we were talking about cost of the freedom. you had a longer lag with the search for victims and answers and it went on and on . i don't want to be a doomsdayer on this, mayor, and it seems like we are sort of jumping to conclusion, and problems solve would and you know what i mean? >> i have to remind people, september 11th. fich or six months lasting and then anthrax. it hit abc, fox, governor's office and mayor's office and it was a massive catras trophy because the country was not ready for that kind of

analysis and we had hundreds of complaints of anthrax and have to wait three weeks to get it cleared so that business was in jeopardy for three weekings. >> to say nothing like manhattan being a crime scene. >> and the f.b.i. never found the people who did it and there never a conclusion in the investigation. i don't believe connected to september 11th, but many people believe it . then a month after that a airplane went down in rockaway. president bush call would me immediately . they closed down all airports for three or four hours. you would ask me the president or me is it part of the terrorist attack absolute lie yes. we determined it wasn't. four planes were headed for new york. i was call would off a helicopter headed to a funeral and i could give you story

after story like that. this went on for sometime. there were false incidents and possibly real incidents with where the f.b.i. and police headed off attacks. so i don't know. you can't just rest right now. maybe it was a one off and maybe it isn't. you better assume it isn't. because if it isn't you need to be ready for it. >> as all of this was going down on fox business network and you were kind to be with us. you said it was very important to get this guy alive if you could, because there is a lot he knows and a lot to get out of him. that is the goal to get information out of him whether he acted alone or whether he and his brother are lone wolves. >> my gut tells me it is it a

long and intensive. this is the business i know the best having been a u.s. attorney. but there are two ways to get to the goal, one of them is to do what john and lindsay graham wawant to do and no miranda issues and question him forever . i would like to see that and i generally think it is it the better way to go here. you could question him forever and he already made a confession that is admissible to the guy they kidnapped. as far as i can tell, the guy they kidnapped he and his brother confessed they were the guys who did the bombing. >> but neither he nor his brother wanted to kill themselves . that distingished them from the cazer terrorist. >> when we were talking we didn't know what he would do.

it is interesting to me that he had plenty of opportunities to kill. he was not rushing to the 72 virginings . maybe he was not sure of that process. >> do you are it a terrorist incident? >> absolute >> do you find the ft. terrorism. >> i think the administration handled this as well as they could. >> why is the case of ft. hood. >> it is a travesty. it may be a clearer terrorist incident than this is. this guy in the american military went over to the other say and working for the jihadist. we promoted him in the military because political correctness affects us so much and he should have been toss out of the military and cuted for treason and collaborating with the enemy and he was left

in place . he shoots people yelling alla akbar. . we may have trouble figuring out the motivation? >> for what senator graham and mccain what to do. by calling him. >> 100 percent clear. it is a closer case and 100 percent clear. >> the advantage to that legally is what? >> question forever. you don't have to bring them to trial if you want. you hold them as long as the hostilities exist and when it is over, you have to make a of what to do with him. in his case he should have been desigated a enemy combatant . described as a terrorist. >> what about in this case with the latest suspect and the state department given a warning by the russian government that the older

brother warranted a talking to . so they talk would to him and i guess they scrubbed him over whatever the expression is and realized nothing bad and did hold up his citizenship. he never got it. his younger brother did. >> i am wondering if that testimonies you anything. >> it - tells you anything. >> it doesn't. it will happen a lot like it did in september 11th. we found memos and warningings . you piece this and that together . now maybe a warning and what happens after the incident, after the fact all of those things that didn't make sense now they make sense. what you got to know is it really that clear? >> russia for the longest time has been trying to get us to take the chechen rebels more seriously. i there when the chechen

rebels killed so many children and there in the red square and i met with the foreign minister and several police officials discussing other security things. everyone told me, you go back to take president bush more seriously. they are dangerous. they are animals . they for years have had the sense that we don't take them seriously . for years we've had a sense that the russians are too cruel and they created some of their own problems and the russians say that's what they say about you, too. >> right. >> this is infuriating the chechen rebels website blocks and the chatter we are getting from them is that are pist . they are talking about exact being revenge. >> it is interesting, the main chechen group made it clear

they are separated from this. >> it is it the same group behind bes lanand the theater . they are the ones talking out. >> i thought charles craught krathammer. had the best. divide them in national groups and religious groups. the national groups want to chechen groups want to free chechnya. they have for years going back to the soviet days. they are not behind this. if it it would have been accompany would with statements and trying to make the point. on the other hand, you have a group of people in chechnya who are radicalized and jihadist. >> is that the dad? promising revenge. >> or the ones who go off to

afghanistan and many did against the soviets and against us. i think that is where they fit as more generalized jihadist. chechnya is like almost an excuse. they are fighting against the evil infidel, the united states. we have to learn more about them. here is the common thread of john mccain. holding up miranda warningings, the administration has done something i am relieved b. they seem to recognize you have to question these people . if they are willing to forgo. confessions. they can question him forever. two weeks and only thing that happens, they can't use that material in a criminal trial. they have plenty of other thing to convict him with. they can use for all intelligence. >> there are two ways to that

result. convict him without his statement and since he made a confession that is admissible. he made it easier for you. >> you were quoting charles craught -- krauthammer. they want us dead and we have to realize a lot of people wantulse dead. >> it is a shame we need things to remind us of that. that has been true for 35 years. >> and you never let go of your resolve. mayor an honor. >> and another femo who warned about this. commander lipo, the r remember the uss cole predating 9/11. that was the terrorist real salvo to 9/11. he's next, after this. [ male announcer] surprise -- you're having triplets.

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>> before boston, before 9/11,

there was the uss cole, a terrorist attack on a ship that did a lot of damage and kim would a lot of men and the commander of that vessel joins us right now. commander liphole had sent warnings to republicans and democrats that we have a problem here. this is it a wide spread terrorist problem. commander it certainly lookings like. >> it certainly is and the actions are pointing out the importance of intelligence. it is amazing how everyone wanted to capture the terrorist alive and one of my concerns has been when you look at drone program while successful in the phase we are killing high-level terrorist and if we capture them we understand how they are doing it. that may apply on the international front and bringing back to the united states, points out the need for us to capture guys like

this and declare them enemy combatants it was not just the two brotherings. >> commander when i talked tarve the 9/11 you worried about terrorist cells that would be equivalent to my words terrorist cockroaches left spread identity on their own and this is whatuld have been happening here. there are fear like -- more like these brothers out there. >> there were wouldn't have foreign governments and the f.b.i. interviewing the foreign brother. we knew it was something up. i don't know the level of intelligence we got. but when you get the indications and warningings, you need to take them seriously and develop the resource us here not only in the united states, but stop killing the terrorist and

start doing the dirty work that it is going to take to be successful on a war in terrorism and capture these guys and interrogate them. only when you understand how they recruit, train and finance and contact these operations world wide can you truly target them for defeat. that's making the difference. intercept them before the events happen rather than reacting after the tragedy like boston. >> i talk told a democratic senator who said we are focused on the symmantics in the cold war in terror. there is a lot of terror out there and people want to kill us here, and that to me is a war on us and we have to respond to a war on them which is a war on terror. but the fact that we go through legal symmantic loops makes me wonder like in the case of fothood. it looks promising -- ft.

hood. we are treating this differently. but after all we have been through as a country trepidation to offend people. what do you make of that? >> we have to look at the root cause. we call would it a war on terror. but the fact is, the radical islamist who declared jihad against the united states. we need to look at how we can go after them in particular. they don't represent the larger muslim community and yet they are support happened by many members of it . so the reality is, we need to figure out how radical islamist are going after the young men and radicalizing them to the point to where they will maim and kill women and eight year old children. that is unacceptable . politically we need to come to grips with that. if we don't come to grips with

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>> all right many are talking about why boston community. there are more than are you nationalities represented in the finest scooms in a five mile raduous. harvard and go on to boston university and boston college and northeast yern mit . of course, where a cop was kill would in this ongoing rampage. this is a mecca for a town

including the two suspects in this terror attack . so now what will likely be revisited is the visa policy and where they are from and how and the latest from tom, he is a staples' founder and a big bostonian and there when all of this went down. we want to get into what you experienced that day. tom, do you worry that there might be an overreaction to the city and town and state that thrives on drawing talent from all over the world? >> no, i think bostonians are mature and i don't think there will be after overreaction. a day in our office is literally two blocks and mit is our landlord at highland capp two blocks where the policemen was shot . two blockings and used to train in the star market in

watertown many years ago. they are familiar neighborhoods and the fact that these guys were living less than a mile from there and a shoot out and a lock down in brookline and couldn't leave the house it a very, very strange, strange day and obviously a very strange and horrible week and given the tragedies earlier in the week and i think it still baffles all ofulse. how can a kid that sounds like a normal teenage kid. the younger brother perpetrate this kind of stuff? >> we don't know. we are talking to one of the business ledgends in america. he doesn't say that. but any time you can found a company like staples. an idea i came up with and tom shamelessly stole it that is neither here or there. what about you, when you brought staples to the world

it a promising economic environment and guys like you invest through that . work on a hunch that what you have got is a good idea and now the fear is that business types who are retisent to commit capitol beyond buying back stocks will have an added worry like terror and it is it going to add to their skittishness; what do you think of that? >> no, i don't think so, neil. i think there is caution around . obama care and proposed higher taxes have a fall bigger bearing on slowing people down if anything. flankly our company - frankly our company is seeing good resultings. terrorism affects him. we have a store two blockings away from the scene of the original crime, and there, our store was closed several days and even today, foot trarving

is a fraction of what it had been. we closed boston stores for -- and i think it will be a while before foot traffic will get there. it did after sars and other tragedies. they have significant economic impact . bostonians are strong in this sense and president obama is right. we'll get back there faster. the last thing we want to do is show weakness to the terrorist. >> tom, thank you very much. >> thank you for having me. >> co-founder of staplings. we are getting updatos the condition of the suspect who is in the hospital said to be serious a step below critical . serious, not life threatening and that is important to a lot of officials who want to talk to him and find out whether he and his brother and who did

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